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[Riders settlement was wise for Oakland ] ***Back to top [Matt Hornung Job Hunting] >From: Jim Coleman <mztgringo@yahoo.com> >To: dmv1999 <Nodui@earthlink.net>, openline@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [openline] Employment Wanted and Needed >Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:38:09 -0700 (PDT) >Maybe Batt needs some "landscaping", then a lobotomy . Good luck in whatever,jim c ***Back to top >dmv1999 <Nodui@earthlink.net> wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any contacts for work in the Bay Area? I have been to three interviews in as many weeks. They seem to start out ok until they ask, "What have you been doing for the last five years?" I knew it wouldnt be easy but damn. If anyone can think of anything I and my family would appriciate it. I dont mind doing labor,landscaping, or carpentry. Im not the best but I work hard and learn fast. > Matt Hornung > hornung6288@sbcglobal.net ***Back to top [Riders Case Mishandled] Article Last Updated: 6/20/2005 07:38 AM City attorney mishandled 'Riders' case THE real crime is that the "Riders" case was mishandled by City Attorney John Russo from its inception and now is costing the city of Oakland millions. There are other costs he failed to explain. Two juries failed to convict anyone on numerous charges, but the city attorney had no problem rushing to settle the civil claims for $11 million. The city attorney had a responsibility to investigate fully these claims. Instead, he simply wrote an $11 million check of our tax money, whether directly or through long-term higher insurance premiums, to hide from his duty to protect the public interest. Think about the city services that could provide. There are numerous reasons the claimants' credibility was twice severely questioned in trials. Out of 129 claimants, virtually all had previous felony records and only 7 testified at the trials. Mr. Russo stated the claim was settled because of the "40 criminal officers," but only four were charged and none convicted. And those four were named in less than half the claims. That should have raised a few red flags regarding the claims. Now the city faces liability for millions of dollars for the police officers' wrongful termination, back pay and benefits, and attorney fee claims. This could topple another $10 million. Then in the federal lawsuit, the city attorney voluntarily entered a judgment ceding management of the police department to a federal judge. He is allowing a committee of one to run the police department. Now, OPD has more officers in internal investigation than investigating murders. San Francisco , with three times the police force, has a third less internal investigation officers. It is costing the city $3 million plus a year, over $10 million and ticking, plus loss of public safety. That puts the tab over $30 million hard costs and growing. There is something very wrong with the city attorney's math, political and legal decisions. The city attorney envisioned the L.A. Ramparts or San Francisco Fajitagate scandal, but Oakland 's reality was something much less. To taint the entire dedicated force because of the alleged acts of a few harms not only the police, but all the citizens of Oakland . It also obscures the fine work that the police department and neighborhood groups have done regarding community policing and relationships. This is the second time in very recent memory that the city of Oakland has turned to outsiders to solve our problems. See the Oakland schools. A committee of one is not democratic, and it does not guarantee community input. Oakland is losing local control of the important decisions that affect our lives - we should not give away our voice to outsiders. Before we lose more local control, incur more millions of dollars liability, before desperately needed officers are pulled away from community protection, we need better political leadership. Mr. Russo, you failed in your duty to the city of Oakland . Clinton Killian is an attorney in downtown Oakland and, like John Russo, a candidate for the 16th Assembly district. http://www.insidebayarea.com/searchresults/ci_2812785 ***Back to top
From: "Victor Sandoval" <victorsandoval1@comcast.net> ANSWER: Hello you Cowardless, Chicken Sh_t, SOB. Here is my drivers license and registration and no matter what you issue me a ticket for, I will win in court because you're credibility means nothing in court. Vic Sandoval
*** I agree with Rudy. And there is none of us who are "Once OPD - Always OPD" who didn't do something on the street that we never imagined we would do or have to do when we were in the academy. ***Back to top Hey Rudy, didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. Perhaps you read it wrong. Point is whatever they were doing, it clearly caused everyone else and our reputation a lot of grief. I don't think to say what they were doing was not the best of judgement is being particularly critical, only stating the obvious. The police in general got a lot of bad press as a result of their actions. Legal or illegal, they didn't reflect well on us or the Department and that is a fact. As you know when we use bad judgement, it isn't always illegal, but still wasn't a good choice of action. ***Back to top From: "Rudy Martin" <rudyp@pacbell.net> These guys have been judged--they were cleared. They should be left alone not judged by a bunch of old timers. None of us were there and should not be telling these guys how to do the job. We all thought that were the best police officers in the world when we were doing the job. We are not doing the job anymore. Leave it to the ones that are doing the job. There is a fine line between aggressive and overzealous. I would like to shake the hands of the three officers that had the guts to face the charges and be judged by a jury of their peers. As it was put, just my opinion God Bless the Three Officers(I refuse to call them Riders) Rudy Martin *** I'm enjoying the 2,324 words thus far devoted to this topic today.... The battle is being fought in a tiny "village" where racist and politically correct terrorists are fighting cowards with blanks. When will we have our D-Day? 1. Oakland is a community of 400,000 people who overwhelmingly support our cops, their mission and the way they handle it. 2. OPD has thousands of members, including active, separated and retired. Ronoz ***Back to top I really enjoyed Gremminger's comments which were presented in a very
***Back to top Right on the money on each point you (Gremminger) raise. The sad thing is no one in ***Back to top I read Gremminger's email on the Riders and I do agree with many of his thoughts, but would like to look at this a little differently. As a preface, I was not the perfect police officer and had a few stunts of my own, so don't mean to pass judgement here. On the other hand, my comments hold true for my own actions as well. ***Back to top Wow, I just read, slowly, each of the 1,108 words that Gremmie so thoughtfully shared with us. I have to tell you that it came gratefully immediately after I got another one of "those" private emails that my own posts are too long. Gremmm obviously felt inclined to put his thoughts into an editorial opinion and in doing so he invites those in the bleacher seats on one side to cheer and those on the other side to bleer (bleat-stutter). Before anyone is inclined to apologize to Orloff, Burris, Tucker, Brown, the City Attorney or others I would suggest that what posts on Openline stays on Openline. If I were to offer my own opinion - and I won't because Gremm's should be in the spotlight - I would say only incidentally that I feel the membership, on-duty and on-line, is too inhibited by false and harmful political correctness. The mediocrity, blandness, lack of imagination or creativity, and simple mindedness as an attitude is likely the reason why Brown went outside to give OPD its new Chief. I'll bet Tucker, Brown, Orloff and others are a lot brighter than the PC Monks, and that they appreciatively pay much more attention to those who offer meaningful challenges, criticisms, alternatives, and out-of-the-box thinking. Disagreement and debate are the elixirs, while the fawning and fealty are merely opium for the nodders. Prove me wrong. Ronoz ***Back to top Winners - Losers ***Back to top It's not very often that Mike Martin has a good idea, so I suspect that his wife helped him with this one. Count me in for a contribution toward drinks or tickets or whatever it takes to get the persecuted three to Reno . I won't, however, be doing any fighting over it. I think I've already established that I've registered myself as a Conscientious Objector (I wonder how many Generation X'ers even know what that means) and thus a non-combatant.
From: "Michael Martin" <mjmartin@volcano.net> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:54:33 -0700 First things first: As one who chipped in a few extra shillings to the OPD940 war-chest, I would not be at all opposed to having that spent in the direction on insuring that Mabanag, Siapno, and Hornung show up in Reno next weekend... I'd bet Oz could sell tickets to the fight to determine who got to buy them the first libation! As good as it might be, the PORAC LDF doesn't cover everything. In support of Old Frank Mellott on LDF: For those of you who haven't had the pleasure, let me tell you that those interview rooms on the 2nd floor get pretty lonely. A LDF attorney goes a long way to making it better, even -- especially -- if you are right. Mike Martin ***Back to top According to the Civil Rights laws: *** According to the Civil Rights laws: "Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class." Judge Henderson acknowledged that the Oakland Police were a culture, which is to say having membership in a particular group or class. Yes, it was a profound historical social injustice to have the weight of unjust and unfair prosecution upon many in our society targeted for their membership, castring upon them the denial of work, the maltreatment of some to a degradation of contempt, to be besmirched for the colors they bore, and in effect to be lynched for crimes not committed. It's no wonder that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was so desperately needed. ronoz ***Back to top From: "John Larsen" <flatfootinvestigations@nctac.com> >Now its time for the civil suit in federal court by the officers. What the hell is a few more hundred grand for each one of them to Oakland , the city threw 11 million away to the dirt bags that started this mess. Oh, and back pay and benifits for the past 5 years, opps, few more hundred grand. But all that fresh egg on the face of the Oakland city fathers, priceless. John Larsen *** They say each good belly laugh adds one day to your life... thank you Billie for adding so many to mine... ron *** From: igoldpan@aol.com To make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again, my suggestion would be to increase the number of I.A. investigator's at OPD. With just a few more, maybe I.A. can achieve a one for one parity ratio with patrol........ BillyBurrisAndrews ***Back to top Frank is so right... It was even bigger than that. Apparently the legal fees PORAC fronted hit 2 milllion... and for what... lots of b*shit. The costs were immeasurable beyond that. What about the 11 million to the lawyers and others who hit the Oakland Lottery? What about the confusion, reorganization, sidetracking, derailment at OPD? What about the tarnish on OPD's badge caused by the venum? This was a debacle... I know Bob Valladon and company stood shoulder to shoulder and went toe to toe... I congratulated him only yesterday in his office. This entire process went way out of proportion. It was politically correct nuclear fission. Holding the OPD940 Open Meetings weekly at the OPOA gave me a special respect for the job they're doing and gave opportunity for talking with our three fellows and their attorneys regularly. I shared and felt the anxiety and desperation. It was an entirely different perspective on a personal level than the one that is engaged in the larger context of social issues. Perceived social injustices and political causes are monsters that need sacrificial feedings to grow. But the time for confrontation is over. There is a better way to win a war. ronoz >From: cowchpt8o@aol.com I know everyone is relieved and grateful that justice has finally been served in this case. The three officers hopefully will get their jobs back, although that will in no sense give them the last three or four years of their lives back. One thing to consider, though, if you haven't already, is the role the OPOA and the Legal Defense Fund played in all this. I shudder to think what the legal costs were for the two lengthy trials, but I my uneducated guess is that we're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of a half million dollars. Can you imagine what would have happened if the officers had been forced to pay that out of their own pockets? They probably would have run out of money early on, with a Public Defender being their only recourse. That undoubtedly means they'd probably be doing light dusting and cleaning for "Bubba" in San Quentin right now, instead of worrying only about reinstatement at OPD. So thanks to the OPOA for never giving up on these guys and for providing them with the resources they needed to prove their innocence. I thankfully never had to use the LDF, but it was one hell of a comfort to know it was there if I needed it. Frank Mellott ***Back to top Remaining 'Riders' charges dismissed; officer speaks out *** Let me pose this question to all on Openline, if you testify in court under oath that you falsified police reports, how is it that you do not get prosecuted and still maintain a position as a police officer in Pleasanton. One would think that your credibility is shot and anyone arrested by this officer has a get out of jail free card. What is concerning to me is that this guy might actually, inadvertently arrest a bad guy in the town I grew up in and blow the case because of his lack of credibility. Every criminal defense attorney should have a copy of the Rider Trial transcripts on hand to impeach this guys testimoney everytime he takes the stand, which will probably be for parking offenses, but regardless. Just a concerned Pleasanton citizen. Why not? Let's show some real affirmative action and get back to work... everyone. Like we used to say... "Show's over... move along now." ***Back to top From: R Souza <Nodui@earthlink.net> UPDATE: 'RIDERS' OFFICERS WANT THEIR JOBS BACK 06/02/05 12:05 PDT OAKLAND (BCN) Two former Oakland police officers accused of beating and framing >suspected drug dealers in West Oakland in the summer of 2000 said today they want their jobs back, now that all charges against them have been dismissed. Shortly after Alameda County Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Horner dropped the charges at the request of District Attorney Tom Orloff, Clarence "Chuck'' Mabanag, 39, said he would go back to work in Oakland "if the chief says so.'' Jude Siapno, 36, also said he would like to work as a police officer again. Speaking in a barely audible voice, Orloff told Horner this morning that he still thinks he has a solid case against the former officers, who were known on the street as "The Riders'' because of their allegedly aggressive tactics, but he doesn't think he would have a good chance of winning convictions at a third trial. Siapno, Mabanag and a third officer, Matthew Hornung, 33, were prosecuted twice in two lengthy trials. Both cases ended in mistrials, with jurors acquitting them of some charges and deadlocking on others. Hornung was acquitted of the two remaining counts against him in the second mistrial two weeks ago, so he didn't have to appear in court today. His attorney, Ed Fishman, said today that Hornung also wants his job back. Mabanag said "it feels great'' to have the charges dismissed but said he is "saddened'' that the case was prosecuted in the first place. He alleged that "they tried to convict us over lies'' by other officers. A fourth officer, Frank Vasquez, also was charged in the case but reportedly fled the country to avoid prosecution. Asked if he would prosecute Vasquez if he ever were caught, Orloff told reporters, "That's my current intention.'' Orloff said, "It's very difficult to convict a police officer'' and the Riders case was especially hard because most of the prosecution's witnesses "were not really sympathetic'' because they had criminal records for drug dealing and other offenses and were hanging out in West Oakland in the middle of the night. Siapno's attorney, William Rapoport, said all three former officers will be seeking full back pay and benefits dating back to December 2000, when they were formally dismissed from the Oakland Police Department. "There's been a substantial amount of time that these people have been dead poor,'' Rapoport said. ***Back to top You crack me up..... ron From: cowchpt8o@aol.com Now that they've been officially absolved, they should be eligible for reinstatement at OPD. But if not, maybe Pleasanton P.D. has a vacancy or two... Frank Mellott *** Let's hope this puts the entire issue to rest and allows only pondering the lessons. There is such a thing as being overzealous - in police work, in investigating officer complaints, in DA prosecutions, in lawsuits and the settlements thereof, in Judges who want to change police departments, in a few citizens who don't come near representing the 400,000 Oakland residents, and on and on. It's time to get back to sanity - and do real police work. Everyone should refocus, get back on track, work together, and get on with it. ronoz ***Back to top JUDGE DISMISSES CHARGES IN OAKLAND RIDERS CASE ***Back to top From: "Ron Oz" <RONOZAWAY@HOTMAIL.COM> There is surely and understandably too much inhibition on the part of many to comment either too gleefully or too sadly at the outcome of the Rider's case. Of one thing we can take solace, there was not even apparently enough of a jury consensus to find wrongdoing in the more liberal civil jury ratio. It seems unlikely that the Feds or the DA would have the stomach or gall to continue this case into the future. This was not for want of trying to hang them with everything conceivable and every talent possible. They took their best shot and missed. The Jury was simply too evenly split and racism is missing. Mike Martin makes a slight point about the old war stories that we've all told and heard. Of course, when I and those before me came on there was no Miranda and the lines of good and bad were more evenly drawn. But don't think for a minute that racism, brutality, corruption, false evidence or testimony was condoned or ignored on the part of our administration or practiced by our membership. Quite the contrary, while Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver, Angela Davis and many others were wallowing in anti-white racism and shooting at us, I never saw a case of overt racism by our cops. And, I should admit that some of my best friends are white. Yes, bad guys got thumped, white or Black, and by white or Black. What difference did color make? Searches were much more spontaneous and often without permission. Confessions were obtained without attorneys present and using trickery. But those were different times. I was pushed, slapped and kicked in the butt by Oakland cops at different times, as were my friends while I was growing up. I was also beaten with a canoe paddle at Claremont Jr. High. My dignity and self esteem were my problem, not society's. They didn't seem to notice I was white. I wouldn't have complained to Internal Affairs, sought a lawyer to sue the Department, or even told my parents for good and obvious reasons. But also cops then wrote tickets to make a difference in the accident rate, not as a means of taxation. Cops took my teenage body home drunk after parking my car safely and then chewed out my parents for not watching their brat closely enough. When I was active OPD I also took some drunks home instead of booking them. I let kids off who were just being kids instead of booking them for Burglary or even joy riding auto theft. I helped parents chew out their kids for not doing homework, being up to No Good, or just Duin-Nuttin. Without ever using the N-word I often called a Spade a Spade. As many of my fellows, I judged the situation and especially the attitudes, in deciding how I would handle things. I had high energy, high activity, and never had an Internal Affairs complaint. I handled lots of complaints against my guys by resolving them, not by covering them up. But the times were different than today, as they were different from the days before. Some of my friends as a kid came to school with welts on their bodies from the whippings they got by their dads. Our teachers let us wild ones have it. Cops were respected as guardians of the public safety and neighborhood peace. Isn't it coincidental that as the respect for cops has been eroded by those targeting the police with continually expanding political correctness and narrowing standards of acceptable conduct, and disintegrating delegation of judgment and discretion for cops to do their job, that our streets and parks have become unsafe for anyone to enjoy. Let me say something else that hasn't changed. In all the stories by the old timers, tongues loosened and wagged by liquor, I never heard a single mention of planted evidence, false testifying, or singling anyone out because of his color. If that happened in my day we would have had the same trial. Believe it. To say OPD has a contemptible culture where such practices are commonplace is ludicrous. For the City of Oakland to give up its carrots and run into a rabbit hole is what is disappointing. What sense does it make to change our whole Department by its methods and practices to conform to accusations that two juries taking over three years and a hundred days of deliberations couldn't determine that three out of over 700 even committed? The Oakland Police Department wasn't on trial and it certainly was not convicted. but it was accused and that seems to be good enough for a few in power to place every cop on the Oakland Police Department into disrepute. No, we should say and demonstrate to everyone that we will CONTINUE to do whatever we can to making our Department better. no the best. Our enforcement practices will change with the times as they always have. But we will never concede what isn't true. that we are racist, crooked, corrupt, brutal, ignorant, or uncaring. Why does it seem like no one is standing up for this? ***Back to top *************************
>How long will it be before these officers are rehired? lets see, we got back pay, missed promotional opportunites, a for sure lawsuit etc etc, >What a crock of shit! I am sorry these guys had to go through this. >Jerry(Iam glad I am retired) Waltman ********************** >From: "Michael Martin" <mjmartin@volcano.net> >Yes!!!!! > >But to cast a bit of a pall on things, I am afraid that Clay Campbell is on the right track (not an unusual position for him)... It's a "when", not an "if" for the Feds. And why all the "changes" being mandated when they have yet to show that these guys did anything wrong. I'm sure that I am one of many retired guys who are glad they were Active when they were and are retired now. I've heard stories of many things that were "business as usual" not that many years ago, that wouldn't fly now.... But its just stories, of course no personal knowledge... >Mike Martin ***Back to top *****************
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A jury in Alameda County California returned a verdict of not guilty on three counts and was hung on the remaining 13 charges against three Oakland Police Department officers, Clarence Mabanag, Jude Siapno and Matt Hornung. The trial began in late September 2004. It followed on the heels of a previous trial which began in June 2002 and ended in September 2003 with eight not guilty verdicts and hung on the remaining 27 counts. We believe these are the longest trials involving charges against police officers for work-related events. Mabanag was represented by Mike Rains of Rains, Lucia & Wilkinson. Siapno was represented by Bill Rapoport. Matt Hornung was represented by Ed Fishman. The Board of Trustees extends its thanks for the tremendous effort by the panel attorneys and their staffs as well as investigators and expert witnesses. This monumental effort was only possible with the support of the Legal Defense Fund and its 58,000 members. Make no mistake, only Legal Defense Fund members will get the world class defense that all peace officers deserve. The court issued a gag order against the attorneys speaking about the case. We are trying to get the word out without running afoul of the order. If you would like more information, call Mike Rains at (925) 609-1699, Bill Rapoport at (650) 340-7107 or Ed Fishman at (707) 823-8782. Candis Bradley ***Back to top ******************
I would like to see an audit showing how much the city fathers spent on trial #1, trial #2, the civil payoff (11 million) and the cost of the civil suit when the cops file the law suit against the city for unlawfull termination. I am sure there are many more costs and I would like to see what they are. How much is the cost to the PD to do all the agreed upon changes within the department due to the agreement made in the civil suit. I can not express how happy I am that these guys did not get convicted OF ANYTHING!!. This smelled of a railroad from the very beginning and I have said that in the past. Just my opinion. John Larsen ***Back to top ***************************** From: "Ron Oz" <RONOZAWAY@HOTMAIL.COM> Just got off the phone with Matt Hurnug at the OPOA offices. I don't know him at all but I've written lately that he and the other so-called Riders, and most of all OPD, have gotten a bum deal in this merry-go-round called Justice. Can we get on with business now? Never once have I said I felt Judge Henderson wasn't doing his job with his own sense of best intentions. I exercised my own rights to express my opinion that anyone attempting to paint OPD with a broad stroke of malfeasance, misfeasance or nonfeasance, especially within the context of the past 50 years, will have to bear criticism in return. I believe that such a notion is wrong, misguided by some and malicious by others. I for one do not want the OPD members to feel they have a new Chief intent on reorganizing our Department on the premise of such a negative notion. I don't believe either for a moment that Chief Tucker wants the image of a marionette directed by others to be his mandate. We have top men and women in our top-notch Department, and they are caught up in a societal and certain community culture of frustration where scapegoats for social injustices must be hung out to dry. Lynching is wrong no matter the victim. In my opinion the greatest injustice is the laxity in which truly bad people are coddled and given rights to the streets and the purses of our citizens. The restraints on police today would be unimagined by our Founders. One can only imagine the sad state of our health care if doctors were treated similarly. It is time to improve our Department, from the ground up as I suggested in many lengthy emails. We have 400,000 citizens who need and deserve the best service we can provide. It is our prerogative to give them our devotion and dedication and only incidentally and coincidentally listen to the advice from outsiders who would tell us how to do our jobs on the basis of painting us as racists. Every sergeant should know intimately every one of his/her officers. It is management from the sergeant level on up that will make us a successful force (note the operative word). Hopefully it will soon be forgotten about the inconveniences to public safety that such a large allocation of manpower to Internal Affairs, such distractions to service that racial questionnaires create, and such a loss of focus throughout our ranks that has embroiled us. As any business, ours must stand the test of faith and confidence by our customers, the citizens of Oakland and its visitors. Of course we should have good feedback as to how we're doing. I'm sure that given the nature of our business many feel some of us acted at times too quickly and perhaps even rudely. But our first measure should be one of effectiveness and that's where many would not give us high marks. Our effectiveness is surely hampered by the blurred focus some have so effectively shifted us into, but a good Chief will hold our lens steady to maintain public safety first and to have our people do so with professional maximum effectiveness, courtesy, caution, and yes sometimes abruptness and force. But if we understand the people we serve and respect them, all of them, we will do so with continued pride, dignity and team spirit that separates us from the negative forces all around. Stand proud, OPD and continue a fine tradition. Ronoz ***Back to top **************************** Jury Finds Three Former Oakland Police Officers Not Guilty on Several Counts KCBS reporter Bob Melrose at the courthouse in Oakland says the officers had been accused of assaulting people, falsifying reports and conspiring to obstruct justice while working the night beat in west Oakland . Clarence Mabanag was acquitted on one count of making false statements in police reports. The jury deadlocked on three other false statement counts and a charge of filing a false police report. Matthew Hornung was acquitted on the only two counts filed against him -- making a false statement in a police report and conspiracy to obstruct justice. The jury deadlocked on all counts against Jude Siapno. Most of the deadlocked charges were at a vote of six-to-six, and the jury said they were not moving at all one way or the other. The investigation into the ``Riders,'' as the officers called themselves, began when a rookie officer quit the force and reported the alleged misconduct. It is unclear whether the DA will re-file the remaining charges for a third time. On June 2nd, the DA will let the court know whether he plans to re-try the case. (Copyright 2005 by KCBS. All Rights Reserved. The Associated Press contributed to this report.) (updated 12:10pm, gcb) ***Back to top **************************** From: Clay Campbell <xsgtclay@sbcglobal.net> I wonder about two things: 1. How long until the "community" demands that the Feds prosecute; 2. How long will it take for the Feds to cave in and do it? Clay Campbell, 6337 T (Retired) ************************ I met an impressively smart, articulate and handsome young man at OPOA who claimed to be your son. The resemblance was remarkable. ron From: "Jim Simonson" <jimcarsimo@earthlink.net> Three counts - not guilty The remaining counts - hung Gag order for two weeks until next court date Jim Simonson ***Back to top ****************** From: "Oppido, Michael, DA" <michael.oppido@acgov.org> My sources say "not guilty on two or three counts, hung on the rest". No further info at this point. Michael Oppido 6994 ret ***************** ***Back to top From: "Ron Oz" <RONOZAWAY@HOTMAIL.COM> Just heard there is a partial verdict in Riders case but they will not divulge until noon. Surely someone close at hand will post results immediately... thanks, ronoz [Whew, I just read latest Souza's latest post about the so-called Riders and Judge Henderson's comments regarding OPD. Not to disappoint he who might wish to label me 5150 or those with fingers ready at the general apology key, I just can't sit still and take attacks on the OPD I knew so well without commenting. Yes, I wrote longer than many of you can survive with your glaucoma, myopia and patience, but it is important... Souza's article follows... ronoz] With all due respect to Judge Henderson I would like to offer the following personal opinion:
***Back to top JUDGE PLEASED BY PROGRESS IN 'RIDERS' CASE BUT SAYS MORE WORK REMAINS A federal judge said today that he's "delighted" and "heartened" by the progress the Oakland Police Department has made in complying with the terms of the settlement of the "Riders" police misconduct civil case. But U.S. District Court Judge Thelton Henderson, who is overseeing the case, which Oakland officials settled in February 2003 by agreeing to pay $11 million in damages to 119 plaintiffs, said "we shouldn't still be here two years after the settlement" and said many terms haven't been complied with yet. The plaintiffs alleged that they were victims of evidence planting and beatings by four officers known as the "Riders" in the summer of 2000. Henderson said, "I'm pleased we seem to have turned a corner in this case" and praised new Oakland Police Chief Wayne Tucker, who was appointed by Mayor Jerry Brown on Feb. 1, for his "commitment" in attempting to get the department to comply with the terms of the settlement. But Henderson said, "One of two person alone can't change the culture at the Oakland Police Department," saying the department has a 50-year-old departure that's resistant to change. "Chief Tucker's subordinates need to show the same level of commitment in complying with the settlement," Henderson said. The judge also said he's prepared to hold contempt of court proceedings and impose monetary sanctions if the department doesn't fully comply with the settlement in the near future. Tucker told Henderson that problem areas identified by an independent monitoring team in a recent report "are not acceptable" and pledged to fix them as soon as possible. Tucker said the department is "fully committed" to being in substantial compliance with all of the terms of the settlement by the end of the year. Henderson set a hearing for Aug. 31 for another progress report in the case. In the meantime, jurors are continuing to deliberate in the re-trial of three of the Riders officers who face criminal charges that they beat and framed suspected drug dealers in West Oakland in the summer of 2000. A fourth officer is a fugitive. The three officers are standing trial a second time, as their first trial ended on Sept. 30, 2003, with jurors acquitting them on some charges and deadlocking on other charges. Jurors in the second trial have been deliberating since April 5. Jurors sent a note to Alameda County Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Horner just before lunch today asking if they can consider evidence from time periods outside the time frame of the alleged conspiracy in the criminal case. After a lunch break and a power outage that delayed deliberations briefly, Horner responded that jurors can indeed consider evidence from other time periods. Jurors then resumed their deliberations. ***Back to top ****************** From: "Chris Rye" <ryetops@sbcglobal.net> The jurors in the Riders trial have been given permission to "consider evidence from other time periods". I hope that means the jury will be able to consider that much of the testimony is coming from a bunch of former and still active drug dealing witnesses. Hopefully, the jury would then have a reasonable doubt of guilt based on such testimonial evidence. Chris Rye ***Back to top [May 10, 2005] I have absolutely no knowledge of the facts of the so-called Riders case. Yet, something doesn't seem right at all. I thought I understood the meaning of the standard ".beyond a reasonable doubt." Nevertheless I looked it up again because I can't understand how five years of investigations, two trials, 56 days of jury deliberations after the first trial, and now 35 days of jury deliberations since they began last April 5 in this latest trial. That's 91 days!!! Hello... Doesn't anyone think that this intricately prolonged series of trials and hopelessly confused and hesitating jury is simply self evident of reasonable doubt???? The only way they could possibly come out of this with a conviction would be to confess browbeating whichever of the jurors held out this long with honest reasonable doubt. If any of us were on the stand and asked a question, and stalled to think more than even a minute or so we would be skewered for our doubt. The jury, in the absence of reasonable doubt, should be able to decide guilt without such agonizingly prolonged hesitation. OJ Simpson had a fair trial, didn't he? The evidence against him included hair, fiber, blood, DNA, glove, shoe, flight, confession (to Rosie Grier), etc.. and yet the Jury found IN LESS THAN FOUR HOURS that there was enough reasonable doubt to acquit him. Twelve Nurenburg trials were completed in less time than these so-called Riders. The Civil War was fought in the same time period. Where is the perspective? When does a fair trial become unfair? It is important to mention the derogatory and explicitly incriminating noun "Riders" that damns them in every news account. Not only that, every news account I've read mentions the Riders and the "one that got away by running to Mexico ." Forget the evidence, or insufficiency of it, or the (in)credibility of it, or lack of it, or the corruption of it. maybe hanging the three Riders that didn't get away to Mexico is enough. -Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty. -The standard of proof that must be met to prove a criminal case. If a jury has reasonable doubt about the defendant's guilt, they must acquit that person. -Proof beyond a reasonable doubt must be of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. -Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest level of burden of persuasion typically employed in the criminal procedure. This level of burden of proof is typically used in criminal trials, where the jury is required to have no reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty. -A reasonable doubt exists when a factfinder cannot say with moral certainty that a person is guilty or a particular fact exists. It must be more than an imaginary doubt, and it is often defined judicially as such doubt as would cause a reasonable person to hesitate before acting in a matter of importance. ronoz ***Back to top ******************************************** [May 10, 2005] [Does anyone have a copy of this 569 page document?.... ronoz] PARMA Conference Monday February 7, 2005 Session B-1. 2:00 pm - 3:30 pm Lessons Learned From The Oakland Riders Lawsuit Mr. Gregory Fox, Bertrand, Fox & Elliot 2749 Hyde Street San Francisco , CA 94109 415 - 353 0999 gfox@bfesf.com Claudia Leed, Burnham Brown 1901 Harrison Street Oakland, CA 94612 510 - 444 6800 cleed@burnhambrown.com Greg Fox was the lead trial attorney representing the City of Oakland in this historic police corruption case. Claudia Leed was the Deputy City Attorney for the City of Oakland that coordinated the City's litigation strategy. We will review the key strategies executed to lower the City's liability and exposure to damages, fees and costs. We will also discuss the changes Oakland 's Police Department has implemented. Lessons Learned in the Oakland Riders Civil Litigation. Overview of the Case. Key Strategies to Manage the Case. Controlling Attorneys Fees and Costs Before, During and After Litigation. Handling Pending Discipline Against Defendant Officers. Leveraging Litigation Strategies With The Assistance of the Court. Development and Consensus Building Re: Department Reforms. Dealing With Investigations By The State and Federal Justice Departments. Pursuing Litigation Options Involving the Federal Government and Other Public Entities. Settlement of Monetary Damages Claims. ***Back to top ******************************************** From: "Ron Oz" <RONOZAWAY@HOTMAIL.COM> In a better world, more just, more interested in fair play.... a Judge might at this stage of The Rider Trial stand and be counted more for principle and issue something like the following: I have called the members of the jury, the defendants, and their counsel to issue the following statement: I am declaring this a mistrial. The American Justice System is based first of all on a sense of fair play. The foundation for that stipulates foremost that every accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty and that bar is set high "...beyond a reasonable doubt." I am compelled to conclude that any reasonable person would be at wits end to feel strongly that two separate trials, spanning in preparation and procedure about five years, and a current jury that has deliberated for a month, is well beyond prima facie the very definition of Reasonable Doubt. I regret of course the lack of clear conclusion, both for the community which has relied upon us to judge the facts one way or another, and for the defendants who have been publicly quiet but tainted by innuendos. There is certainly Reasonable Doubt, by any acceptable standard of measure, and thus you are free to go. [ronoz] ps... I wrote last a short note about the Riders and I lost it. Does anyone still have a copy in their email they can forward? I'd like to include it in the Rider thread on the OPD940.com website. ***Back to top ******************************************** Judge in police trial answers jury query *************************************** Article Last Updated: 5/06/2005 03:34 AM ***Back to top
Prosecutor Ben Beltramo said Batt was under pressure akin to "a boss telling an employee to commit a crime." *** ***Back to top ********************************* From: Daveymc29@aol.com "A fourth officer, Frank Vasquez, also has been charged in the case but he fled the country to avoid prosecution" We often see this statement mad in conjunction with a comment on the "Riders." And it always comes across as if it is a known and proven fact. Some even say he fled to Mexico . Now isn't it just possible that there is another reason he's not here, being crucified with the rest? Maybe he committed suicide, died, fled and abusive relationship? Maybe he's living in Oakland under an assumed name, having had a sex change and is even now into some legal employment. Can the only reason he's not here be he fled to avoid prosecution? Doesn't that make him guilty before we've even talked to him? Seems a tad on the unfair side to me, yet no one ever seems to question the one making these statements. Could it be racism? How many of the "Riders" are lily whites? Hummm... Later Dave Mc Arthur ********************************* Can we take a breath here? How about some perspective? Does it seem to anyone else that this-called Rider Trail has become intense beyond reason? Is it really an effort to carve red meat to throw to the Politically Correct crowd? Is it a mob lynching by prosecutorial vigilantes? I don't know. 37 separate charges? The longest trial in California history? A second trial pursued as if by a pack of foaming Rottweilers going for their hides while lockjaw Pit Bulls clamp on their genitals. 5 Years of insinuations in the public forum where none of the accused can tell their own story, where none can defend themselves. Is this America 's sense of fair play? We've seen cop killers treated better, and even benignly. We've seen child molesters returned to the community, themselves unmolested. Yes, there are a few bad cops working today. There were more working yesterday. But, does it seem that this is a relentless pursuit to indict these men as icons of all police in general? It is apparent that a confused and obviously hung jury, hung in the first trial and hung in a month of deliberations in this trial, simply will not satisfy the snarls of political discontent. Where is the benefit of reasonable doubt? When OJ Simpson was acquitted we bit our lips and went on... There is no parallel here anywhere. ronoz ***Back to top *************************************** Ronoz Coincidentally, I met three of the so-called Riders at OPOA this morning. I know nothing about the case, except that I understand they are in their third week of deliberations. My first impression, was one of complete empathy. In that feeling I could share the fraught that weighed down these strong guys. Meeting these tall, youthful, young, stout men was as if stepping into an OPD recruiting poster. What have they done? What is reported and attributed so scornfully of these men? I have no idea. I thought of the ancient Greek Sysiphus, the strong king who offended Zeus and was tormented with a lifetime of rolling a large rock up a steep hill, watching it roll back down to the bottom, and doomed to repeat the process over and over again. We indeed live in an absurd world where we prosecute symbols for indiscretions we feel offend us. Our own President is prosecuted daily and there are those who would easily punish him without mercy just for doing his job. Camus wrote his Myth of Sysiphus with the Riders in mind. "The absurd is not in man nor in the world, but in their presence together...it is the only bond uniting them." He wrote of the absurd mind, absurd work, absurd man, absurd reasoning, absurd world, absurd thought, and we have all felt this to be true in our line of work. We are the keepers. Every cop, each of us, is prosecuted as racist, sexist, brutal, insensitive, homophobic, and stereotypically barbarous and callous by someone. As Camus narrated this metaphor of the carnival in which we live he turned it around and gave strength to Sysiphus, and actually gave him victory in the circumstances which befell him. By the mere use of the label "Riders," which is the most common reference, our guys have been symbolically pasted on the targets of political correctness with as little feeling for them as a black silhouette. It is my inclination that these young men are not on trial, but rather the perception of what they stand for in the absurd minds of their prosecutors is what they seem so desperate to crucify. If anyone has been keeping a log of trial events from the beginning I would cherish the thought of reading them. Something just doesn't smell right. ronoz ***Back to top ************************************* Sam, sadly, you couldn't be more right. After spending 3 days watching this "trial" back in January, I was astonished at the "perceived bias" of the Court.
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***Back to top If I were one of the defense attorneys I would view this as good for the defense . If nothing more, it gives an avenue for appeal.
***Back to top Second Juror Dismissed During Riders Trial Deliberations in East Bay ***Back to top OAKLAND - A juror switch on the eighth full day of deliberations in the "Riders" retrial means the panel must start again in deciding whether three fired Oakland cops framed and abused suspected drug dealers in West Oakland in 2000. Alameda County Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Horner excused a 74-year-old woman Friday after she told him she didn't have the energy to continue deliberating the fates of Matthew Hornung , Jude Siapno and Clarence "Chuck" Mabanag . The woman had expressed reluctance to be on the jury during selection and spent much of the trial staring toward the floor or the wood grain of the witness box. The juror was replaced with a younger woman who was among the alternates who listened to evidence presented at trial since opening remarks in November. Jury deliberations began at approximately 2:20 p.m. April 5. The first of what became a stream of notes to the judge came from the jury room within minutes. The contents of most of the notes have been kept confidential, with Horner meeting repeatedly in his chambers with defense lawyers and prosecutors Terry Wiley and Ben Beltramo . Earlier this week, Horner summoned jurors to his courtroom and told them their duty was to reach fair verdicts in the case. Horner went on to suggest jurors try letting different people lead debates or dabble with arguing an opposing point of view to improve the chances of coming to agreements. There are a total of 15 criminal charges at issue in the case against Siapno , 36, Mabanag , 39, and Hornung , 33. Jurors must unanimously agree on any verdict. Intractable deadlocks would force Horner to declare mistrials on those charges.
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